Deus Info For Dummies!

[Kmarsh]

I do hope you don't take this the wrong way folks, but, you cannot bypass shallow targets, it won't allow you to ignore them........it will also find targets deeper, but you have to listen, swing fast or slow, when you hear the tiniest tone whether high or low, not iron, investigate it, back n forth, it could develop...

[hammyman]

.......expanding on Kmarsh's post.Airtest a hammy,watch the vdu,and hear the sound when it's on the edge of detection range.(forget the banging dig me tone,for small deep targets)Thats what the deep signals sound like.

[Slow & Low]

Hello Kmarsh & Hammyman

I often get the tiny tiny little high tones not bleeps but more of a scratchy stutter high tone. Are you saying these are actuall targets ?

I mean these high stutter tones are very faint and sometimes just vanish when trying to locate. PinPointing will not locate these targets if they are there and no horseshoe or number IDs

Hammyman, you confused me abit about them tones you talk about.

Cheers Steven

[sugar]

yes even if there is no id numbers they are quite possible targets, the thing is as said before just scratch the surface off a couple of inches and see then if you can get a two way tone. when learning a new machine you have to learn to understand what the hell it is telling you and sometimes it is not all that easy but each find good or bad will log into your memory bank and in the end you will begin to understand what is and isnt worth digging this is all in the learning process and the reason i have set my garden to sort out ids thresholds and generally get to know the machine

[hammyman]

Hello Kmarsh & Hammyman

I often get the tiny tiny little high tones not bleeps but more of a scratchy stutter high tone. Are you saying these are actuall targets ?

I mean these high stutter tones are very faint and sometimes just vanish when trying to locate. PinPointing will not locate these targets if they are there and no horseshoe or number IDs

Hammyman, you confused me abit about them tones you talk about.

Cheers Steven

Do the airtest as described above,get used to the not obvious 'digme' tones.It doesn't have to be a hammy,anything small and non ferrous will do.

[Slow & Low]

Thanks Hammyman

Will have to run them Airtests Monday.

Cheers

Steven.

[sugar]

The tests i have carried out today have been very enlightening they are NOT text book as for starters my coin garden has only just been set so is not a bench mark by any means. These tests using the large coil were for me to know what tones and depths on different items i can expect with the deus so i wasnt listening to hype but having something concrete to form an opinion.

tomorrow i hope that a well rehearsed deus owner will come on site and i will follow him round the test garden using the same programe. the advantage of this is one i will find out that my deus is correct although not seeing a pre decimal penny in air at the depth regtons have advised me they would expect has been a little worrying but i do need to form my own opinions.

again i do not see it as a technical test but a roman coin the size of a new penny can only be seen at six inches down by three of the programes deus fast pitch and relic. i do not want to talk about the etrac at this time as i am reeling from the evidence and can only think that there is something wrong with my deus as i do hear what you guys are saying that you have great results. the deus did see most of the targets but this one is making me feel quite sick,

i dont want to be swinging the detector for fun and six inches is just no depth at all for a bronze coin i was hoping for some great positive results so i could post them up and give all the newbie something to work to hope all you guys with good machines realise that this is no reflection on them it is just such a devastating situation to find myself in when i thought i was getting the best OH DEAR trying to stay positive hope to get some help tomorrow

[medic]

i do hope some one comes up with an answer as im saveing my money to buy a deus,its a lot of money to part with.ive heard mainly positive things about the deus.please tell me im doing the right thing in buying one.

[holagaz]

So, we are clear that it is abundantly clear we can't be clear about anything!!
There are so many variables with soil conditions, iron trash, coke, moisture levels etc and the Deus is just like other machines in how it copes with that.
Certainly, I was about to pack up on Sunday because I was in the only previously ploughed field on a massive farm yet there was coke and trash everywhere. It was rediculously hard to pick out a signal yet, at the very end of play, I picked up a lovely cut Henry III.

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I was no better (probably worse...) than many of the detectorists in that field, yet I got the coin because I stuck at it when many (including others with Deus machines) had moved back onto the less-trashy pasture. I slowed right down, concentrated on evert signal and dug anything that sounded clear, regardless of the numbers on the display.
I had switched around a few of the programmes (including Basic 2 - where there was little noise), yet had ended up back on GMP when I got the signal. It wasn't what I expected for a hammered (62 on the display), yet I later found out that was due to my ignorance, not a fault with the machine. I have since checked the chart in the manual and hammereds can come in at low 40s, probably even lower. I now also know that I should dig above 25, when previously I was going off the 30 mark for coke.
It's definately a steep learning curve with the Deus (maybe not so bad if you have had a GMP before).
I also think where and when you are detecting can make a massive difference in how quickly you learn the Deus. I feel that when I am on my "own" fields, I can dig a lot more signals because nobody else really has access so the coins etc will still be there next week or the week after. There is no mad rush to get to them.I can afford to dig more junk while I learn the machine.
But when I am on a club dig or a rally, I feel the pressure to fly around the whole venue in case somebody else gets to the good stuff before me. That's when I find myself losing patience with the machine. On Sunday, though, I thought 'sod it, this is the best field, I'm staying here' and the result was that coin.

[sugar]

We are certainly striving for some answers no one wants a machine that wont detect coins at six inches i will know more tomorrow when i have had a knowledgable deus owners input. there does seem to be a batch of late machines that do seem to be having this problem

certainly the guys who have had their machines a while are full of praises but as some of these new deus owners have come off much cheaper machines and not finding them equal questions have to be answered,

all the outcomes will be posted and we are working daily if i find a problem tomorrow then i will go down to regtons personally on weds or thursday for some answers i would appreciate anyone trying a roman coin size of a penny at 6 inches down not hard to do and try programe 1.2 and 5 with no additions thanks in advance

[Slow & Low]

Hello Sugar and everyone

Today i was given the advice that having a coin testbed is a waste of time becase the ground is unsettled, the true test would take arround a fewe years for it to settle well. Also Freshly Ploughed fields are not good they need to have been broken up and rolled then rested.

This advice was given to me from Regtons, also Air Testing is better

[sugar]

so do you think regtons are saying the deus is no good on ploughed fields or not. what regtons have to realise is we do need answers it doesnt matter if it is rested or not steven if one machine is seeing the target then in my mind the deus should also be seeing it surely that makes sense so they can say that it isnt a proper test but it is for my piece of mind


i have done the air test with them on the phone and a pre decimal penny faded at 11 inches when he expected 14 to 15 inches there can be no white washing over this depth issue if i am to keep the machine then i want to be confident that i can detect over a roman coin, my test results show today that this is not the case in some of the programes with no additions so how much stuff am i missing grrrrrrrr what is the point going out if you know you arent going to find stuff six inches down which is what i have been stating all along

what they are saying is that it isnt a bench mark test which is exactly what i have stated in my previous post this is for me to find out what the machine is about and it has saddened me to see the results

[Slow & Low]

Hello Sugar

I would ask you to call Nigel at regton and simply say your concerned by the lack of depth which you know & i know "What are we Really Missing out on ? "

I hope you will understand him better, one thing tells me he makes sense and the other tells me something doesnt add up. Straight away Etrac over what the Deus is unable to find is Proof !
I agree with you.

Steven.

[GREGGOWREX]

get the etrac then ...simples

[sugar]

get the etrac then ...simples

i have it thanks gregg that is the reason i have been able to do the tests but i am not on here to compare the two i do not want to get into any controversity thanks i just want to sort one problem out not make another so hoping to keep this simple