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Hello all, I have been reading a few topics here and around the net where members / people ask others for settings and their programs as though there is some kind of super setting that`s great for all etc.
I find all these type of threads pointless because at the end of the day what works for someone else may not necessarily work for you!
From my understanding you have to tweak the settings to suit your specific needs for the land you are metal detecting on and if you have a lot of different land in different area`s then you have to change settings for that area, reactivity, frequency all depending on ground Mineralization, hot rocks and other factors etc so if your using someone else`s settings you could be doing more harm than good so get reading that manual!
I would be very interested in views on this
I agree mrix, if you are using other peoples settings then you probably will learn nothing about how your machine works and what different settings do.
I liken it to cribbing at school during class, when it comes to the exam you are going to fail.
mrix wrote:Hello all, I have been reading a few topics here and around the net where members / people ask others for settings and their programs as though there is some kind of super setting that great for all etc.
I find all these type of threads pointless because at the end of the day what works for someone else may not work for you!
From my understanding you have to tweak the settings to suit your specific needs for the land you are metal detecting on and if you have a lot of different land in different area`s then you have to change settings for that area, reactivity, frequency all depending on ground Mineralization, hot rocks and other factors etc.
I would be very interested in views on this
Thanks all
mrix
I've been detecting a field with my Deus for a few months now, I've had a fair few hammered coins from it. I've gridded the field and covered it pretty well, each time going over it I've managed a couple more coins. I got to the point where I was struggling to find anything else and wondered if I was getting good depth enough to get below the top 6 inches from where most of my finds came from.
Following the V3 update I asked for people to post their custom settings and people were kind enough to do so. I used a programme on Friday that Henrikas posted earlier in the week, he stated that using his programme would give me better depth but keep the GMP sharpness.
Lo and behold! I found an Eddy penny and a Lizzie Threepence on the same field within an hour, both at around 8 inches. Now I'm not saying that if I played with the setting myself over a few months I wouldn't have found them, but cant see the problem in trying other peoples settings that they have worked out if it saves you a bit of time. Also I don't agree with the comment that you don't learn the machine, on the contrary trying out someone elses settings can show you what the machine can actually do and maybe lead you to try other custom settings now you can see what changing the settings does. As for 'cribbing', well I can't see the issue with giving people a hand and some advice from time to time, I understood metal detecting to be an enjoyable hobby not a process of 'earning your dues' by learning your machine by yourself and not asking for a hand, I guess there are people who keep their programmes to themselves just the same as you get people who cover their page with their arm at exam time
Been saying this for ages (great minds and all that ). Different places will need different settings. Even in the same field you may need to change 'on the fly' for the conditions. The Deus manual is really good (as far as manuals go) so people are best off downloading that newer v3 manual and reading it multiple times as you say.
Other peoples settings do have some value BUT ONLY if they have an explanation of why these settings work.
The number of Explorers/Etracs I'm asked to set up at rallies and from people who have been using them for 5+ years is frightening, there are also a large number of folk who, after spending in excess of £1K on a machine, never move from the factory settings. These users just don't have any understanding of what the controls do or how they effect performance and so can't adapt their machines to varying sites...sad but true.
Isn't it the same case with the default programs that come pre installed. These are manufacturer's custom programs that work for some but not for all, hence people making there own programs. Same thing I think so any extra programs from other users would be worth trying like the manufacturer did with there's. Think I said that right lol
I do however agree that a custom program that's set up for high trash with all the filters wacked on wouldn't work for a baron no trash site that needs good depth but a middle of the road programs with little tweaks would be ok.
there are some real good settings for the Deus for depth and most of them include running the discrim at zero and setting up the 5 tones to discrim by ear, if that makes sense, i have done a quick test on a coin at approx 10",the last part of the video is the program run with no discrim, i will post setting if anyone interested...
I understand the Deus extremely well and have only had it about 4 months, true different soil/sand etc require slight tuning, but anything is possible with a slight sacrifice
Please also bare in mind that not everyone has their own permissions or a close beach to try out settings on.
I have neither so the only detecting I can legally do is in my garden or club digs! The problem is that the garden is out due to cables and as I only get out on club digs I don't want to sit on a field corner with an old bent hammy playing around with settings to try to understand what they do.
From my pov the easiest thing to do is use the factory settings, accept I may miss a few items due to depth or discrimination and crack on. So having people hand over their own settings, which I can input in minutes, and then try them out quickly on a club dig is a god send. (Although I generally only use Deus Fast and GM Power tweaked to 12)
Isn't it the same case with the default programs that come pre installed. These are manufacturer's custom programs that work for some but not for all, hence people making there own programs.
Hi Tomo, I personally don't think it is as the default setting provided have likely been thoroughly tested by XP giving a good range of settings to cover most eventualities, also they are the actual manufacturers settings so I feel more confident as opposed to someone tweaking around and coming up with a list of settings that work for them only etc. XP have likely spent a lot of time getting these programs tested the best they can, from Deus fast for heavy mineralized ground to something like Relic mode with no reactivity and a change of frequency for deep searching clean ground etc. Yes These are only default programs but a good starter point I guess for anyone to customize and tweak to their personal needs and generally what works for them personally. B-)
Been saying this for ages (great minds and all that ). Different places will need different settings. Even in the same field you may need to change 'on the fly' for the conditions. The Deus manual is really good (as far as manuals go) so people are best off downloading that newer v3 manual and reading it multiple times as you say.
100% agree B-)
Other peoples settings do have some value BUT ONLY if they have an explanation of why these settings work.
Hi Cheff, this is the trouble, people see settings on the net that state they are great, wonderful, smashing etc but do not actually question that side of it and just use them regardless thinking they will work in all scenarios and are basically just one magic setting for all
I know a guy who decided to give up on his Deus and sold it because he could not get along with it, he explained he even used other people`s settings off the net but they did not work hence my topic today, I think just copying settings off the net that have just worked for someone else could be very damaging, you maybe lucky and they might work ok but generally there is a high chance they maybe not be suitable and set you off to a very bad start with the machine.
Thanks for the reply
mrix
I think if you have the time to learn the machine properly then that is the way to go. Inevitably if you use other peoples programmes without checking what the settings are then you won't learn and you'll be missing out. I think the learning process can be shortened if you use other peoples programmes, but only if you check what the settings are and then use that information to create your own and see what works. The majority of my custom programmes are the basic ones with a few tweaks I have made over the months as a result of trial and error on my sites and have served me well. It's an amazing machine and well worth learning how to operate outside of the basic programmes.
Hi Guys...
many of us are using the GMP or the Deus Fast programs, and from the factory settings, we are changing some adjustment. We got some free spaces where we can store programs from place 11 to 18, so vry not make it simple. Store you favorit factory program in the middle (place 14), and then work down and up with your own programs, so it easy to swich from etc. 18 khz to 11 khz, or Reactivity or disc. or what ever you personal prefer in different settings, to run smooth through a fiel.
One thing I would say to all this "to find the perfect program", is the TONES... If we do change the number of tones and the Freq. (200-800 hz), we never will get the time to learn. Keep the same tones setting, at all you programs (as posible).
And the same from me... The factory settings are Very good, and it is easy to lose more than you get, If you try to make to much changing.
This is a small adjustment program based from GMP, and it would allways work ( allmust )
Sens. 90-93
Disc. 4,0
11 khz.
Reactivity 2 - silencer 2
Sound. Respond 5
Auto GB.
Tones as you prefer.... ( 2 tones 200 and 630 hz isn't bad Otherwise keep the factory tones)
If you prefer a faster program, just go one step up with Reactivity to 3 and silencer one step down.
You will not lose so much in depth, the 11 khz, respond 5 and a little lower disc., will help you to get allmust the same depth as the factory GMP.
Henrik
its interesting - I started with a whites xlt and was always playing around with the settings wandering if i had something wrong etc and wandering if i could get better depth etc, then i got a goldmaxx and really learnt how to use it for a year and had confidence in that machine because of the simpler controls. Now i have started with a deus light to force myself to learn the basics first and its difficult not to start playing with various frequencies, etc
I did try adjusting the sensitivity but it made the machine a bit too sparky etc so i generally stick to the stock programmes at the moment. I still get coins etc 8-10 inches deep depending.
I still have my goldmaxx so i might give it another blast tonight just for comparison
can I bring a personal view to this post. I am 69 ,18 months ago I had a none bleed stroke, this has left me unable to follow a straight line with my memory, ie putting in a prog is better for me as a the manual is to complicated . I tried u tube by the time I look at someone say I press this and ect ect I go to do it on the remote I have forgotten the steps to do it. so some of us need a bit of help . I will never be able to change a setting in the field, so I use a simple prog for example deus allround. and anyway I get great pleasure from my hobby and still manage finds. ok I pick lots of lead and shotgun caps but a ready made prog is helpfull thanks all
). Different places will need different settings. Even in the same field you may need to change 'on the fly' for the conditions. The Deus manual is really good (as far as manuals go) so people are best off downloading that newer v3 manual and reading it multiple times as you say.