Evolution Pro River Scoop

[chipmonky]

A good scoop pays for its self in no time dug nearly 10,000 coins this year mostly 1 and 2s lol
Try doing that with a spade.
Loads of time wasted poking around in the sand

[silverwood]

Why do some folk think you can do everything for nothing just to satisfy them. Maybe If those folk had a go at making something like that themselves to sell at a small profit they would realise what it takes and costs to do. The cost of making those scoops is well up near the hundred quid mark for materials and labour alone, then they have to take a small profit plus the seller has to take a small profit then the government takes a big chunk of 20% in Vat then 5% of the sale price goes to this forum for selling it on the auction then finally paypal take 3.5 % for taking the money and banking it. Time some people got real and attempted to make ends meet by doing something like this themselves instead of expecting everything to be put on a plate for nothing.

I dont think you really need to justify yourself here Tony.
The quality of the scoop speaks for itself.
As does your standing in the detecting comunity.
You get what you pay for in this life.
Lidl or sainsburys.......the choice is yours lol.

[clint]

Interesting comment be oldartifact regarding carbon fibre.True,scoops could be made of carbon fibre,either screwed together panels-screws would fail first.Or seamless,moulded units that would never go into production as the cost of making a tooling jig would be massive along with the type of material required (military/F1/aviation spec.at least),plus autoclave curing if ya wanna go the whole hog...

regards

Clint

[Petey1231]

I bought one I use it all the time it's amazing

[Fusion]

I was just considering the same reply. There's 900 small holes, 160 large ones in my estimation. Doing that by hand would be a ridiculous job.
It would be interesting to know how long the CNC cutter actually takes to do that job. Even at 4 seconds per hole, that's an hour's machine time.
Edit: Wikipedia tell me 1.5mm thick stainless can be cut at 15cm / second (1000W laser), but there's a delay while the inital piercing hole is made. So maybe 2 secs per hole or better is possible?

[John and Dawn]

In the end you pay what you think is fair.
By the number of scoops sold it seems that many are prepared to pay the price.
I think that it is unfair/inappropriate to post like this on a thread aimed at showing a new product.
You could start a thread "What would you pay? That way you are not seen as demeaning a product.
No offence to any one just my opinion

[Rhoco71]

I was just considering the same reply. There's 900 small holes, 160 large ones in my estimation. Doing that by hand would be a ridiculous job.
It would be interesting to know how long the CNC cutter actually takes to do that job. Even at 4 seconds per hole, that's an hour's machine time.
Edit: Wikipedia tell me 1.5mm thick stainless can be cut at 15cm / second (1000W laser), but there's a delay while the inital piercing hole is made. So maybe 2 secs per hole or better is possible?

You are pretty much bang on there Fusion.
There is approx 900 small holes and 200 large ones in the 3 items used on this scoop.

These are 2mm thick 316 marine grade stainless as per all our other scoops and yes they spend approx 1 hour on the lazer.

My in house high def plasma gets charged out at £100 per hour for cutting which is the figure the manufacturer gave me 6 years ago when it was purchased.Chances are it would be more now..

Obviously by us buying in quantity we get a reduction but the bought in costs for the river scoop are not far off that mark before myself and Paul do our fabrication,cleaning etc.

Then there is vat etc etc.

I have heard many times that a mate of a mate etc made me one for next to nought but I have yet to see anything of any real use

I often do mates favours and don't charge material or if they have material I will draw the part and cut for free but you can't base selling a product on things like that

[Fusion]

An interesting reply, thank you. I'm not a mechanical engineer, but I do enough of it as a part of my job, and as a hobbyist, to know that low volume metal fabrication isn't cheap. The engineer in me makes me think there's probably a cost-saving to be made with a different hole layout, but I'm sure you're the best one to judge that.
Good luck, I hope the New Year is a successful one for you.

[Rhoco71]

An interesting reply, thank you. I'm not a mechanical engineer, but I do enough of it as a part of my job, and as a hobbyist, to know that low volume metal fabrication isn't cheap. The engineer in me makes me think there's probably a cost-saving to be made with a different hole layout, but I'm sure you're the best one to judge that.
Good luck, I hope the New Year is a successful one for you.

We have actually changed the hole pattern in the bottom to the one Tony has advertised,I have missed out so many holes to form an arrow type pattern,maybe Tony could post a pic as he has just had 4 more delivered.
This was done to get the price to where they are.

We make the same profit margin on these as on our Pro Scoops,the rest is all down to the additional cutting time

When Gordon Heritage asked us to make some changes to make them ideal for river work I played around with all sorts of ideas,a cheaper way was to buy in the sheet with pre punched holes for the smaller section and weld it in secondary but we just weren't happy with the quality of the product.

We also tried inserting a secondary mesh screen inside to catch the smaller targets but again had issues with fixings etc.

None of our gear is high profit even though they are quite costly but we have tried to use top quality materials and finishes throughout to justify these prices.

I am always up for a discussion on improvements or changes and find with most things like this the best solution comes from multiple points of view

What I do get frustrated with is the posts that simply state they are too expensive when no research into the product has been done

[Sparticus]

Purely by chance a couple of weeks ago my day job had me making just another routine delivery, when i arrived and walked in i saw a magical site of a sand scoop being made on the bench.
" wow.. you can make one of those for me if you like" was the very first thought and thing i said to the chap making it.... when asked if i knew what the item was and replying instantly the maker unknown to me at that moment turned out to be as i called him " Mr Evolution " himself Steve.
Having seen the river scoop being made and shown some of the other products and parts i found the whole thing utterly fascinating... My thanks to Steve for this rare treat and for welcoming a complete stranger to his place of work... without any notice whatsoever.
Can i say that he is a genuinely nice bloke taking pride in his work AND even more yet....
upon my departure he gifted me a Stainless steel trowel.. " Call it a Early Christmas Present " he said. I can't thank him enough other than to say Thank you for your generosity and i will be buying your sand scoop in the near future.
Some days at work just turn out superb.... Many, many thanks.

[Rhoco71]

Purely by chance a couple of weeks ago my day job had me making just another routine delivery, when i arrived and walked in i saw a magical site of a sand scoop being made on the bench.
" wow.. you can make one of those for me if you like" was the very first thought and thing i said to the chap making it.... when asked if i knew what the item was and replying instantly the maker unknown to me at that moment turned out to be as i called him " Mr Evolution " himself Steve.
Having seen the river scoop being made and shown some of the other products and parts i found the whole thing utterly fascinating... My thanks to Steve for this rare treat and for welcoming a complete stranger to his place of work... without any notice whatsoever.
Can i say that he is a genuinely nice bloke taking pride in his work AND even more yet....
upon my departure he gifted me a Stainless steel trowel.. " Call it a Early Christmas Present " he said. I can't thank him enough other than to say Thank you for your generosity and i will be buying your sand scoop in the near future.
Some days at work just turn out superb.... Many, many thanks.

Hello Sparticus

Fancy seeing you on here
It was a pleasure to meet another detectorist out of the blue as opposed to the usual visitors we have who say that's nice,what is it

I will be needing plenty of glass for our stairs next year so likely you could be in our direction soon

All the best.
Steve

[FUBAR]

Some of the guys at work will be having a collection for my retirement gift will add it to the list.

[Rhoco71]

I think this scoop is too expensive.
Yes I forsee many people jumping on my back saying "Do you know how much labour goes into this" and "its a very fine piece of engineering". But at the end of the day, its a scoop. All that isn't necessary. It's not going on the space shuttle. If I sold a Diamond tipped, tungsten carbide one that took me 6 months to make for £3000, is that still justified?

At the end of the day, "A fool and his money are soon parted".

Not going to repeat what we have said before as it is getting boring

Price is dictated by the machine time cutting hundreds of holes,we were asked to design one for a specific person for a specific use which we did.

Plenty have sold in quite a few different countries so obviously some people think they are acceptable.

Nobody is forcing anybody to part with their money

[Beany_bot]

I think this scoop is too expensive.
Yes I forsee many people jumping on my back saying "Do you know how much labour goes into this" and "its a very fine piece of engineering". But at the end of the day, its a scoop. All that isn't necessary. It's not going on the space shuttle. If I sold a Diamond tipped, tungsten carbide one that took me 6 months to make for £3000, is that still justified?

At the end of the day, "A fool and his money are soon parted".

Not going to repeat what we have said before as it is getting boring

Price is dictated by the machine time cutting hundreds of holes,we were asked to design one for a specific person for a specific use which we did.

Plenty have sold in quite a few different countries so obviously some people think they are acceptable.

Nobody is forcing anybody to part with their money

Fair play to you and I wish you well with them. They are clearly a very nice scoop and well made by all accounts.

Alas, they are here for sale, on a public forum and I am entitled to my opinion.

I personally am not interested and for the reason stated in my first post.

At the end of the day I am a potential customer and maybe politely listening to constructive criticism rather than dictating that what I am saying is "boring" wouldn't go a miss....

You won't often get customers telling you why they won't buy your product, they just wont buy it.

[neverneverman]

I think this scoop is too expensive.
Yes I forsee many people jumping on my back saying "Do you know how much labour goes into this" and "its a very fine piece of engineering". But at the end of the day, its a scoop. All that isn't necessary. It's not going on the space shuttle. If I sold a Diamond tipped, tungsten carbide one that took me 6 months to make for £3000, is that still justified?

At the end of the day, "A fool and his money are soon parted".

At the end of the day you buy to your budget ! If you can't afford our scoop then why even comment ! It is no where near the most expensive out there and the quality, design and work that goes into every one of these is immense..

Same as getting a detector some keep to the entry level Garrett 250 and are very happy with them and they do the job , Others choose to go for the higher end machines that's there choice at the end of the day ..
I don't see you on other threads why pay over 2K for a CTX when a 250 at the end of the day is a detector .