Deus query

[wesser]

I've had my Deus now since December, its my first machine and am getting on with it well, am starting to pick up some nice bits. I soon noticed that alot (most) of the better finds on pasture are very faint repeatable high tones with no target id number on the remote. Most of the good tones with an id number tend to be shallow trash.
My question is. If the machine is clever enough to give you a faint high good tone, its obviously decided its non ferous, why cant it give you a target id as well?
I tend to use full tone programs.

[THE MOLE]

the targets will be out of range of the target id signal but not out of the coil range
that happens on most digital machines.

neil.

[GeoffBristol]

If I got this right, I believe that if you get a good signal but no ID it's because the target could be deep and the machine cannot analyse it correctly. I may be wrong on this not sure.
Geoff

[wesser]

Geoff, thats the way i see it but what i cant get my head round is if its deep and it cant analyse the signal how can it come up with a good tone? It dont quite make sense to me. Hope you understand what im getting at.
Cheers

[sweepstick47]

Geoff, thats the way i see it but what i cant get my head round is if its deep and it cant analyse the signal how can it come up with a good tone? It dont quite make sense to me. Hope you understand what im getting at.
Cheers

Hi, Sounds like you are doing well with the Deus
If I remember correctly, the reason there is no evidence of 'Target ID Numbers for a deep but positive audio response, is there is sufficient audio signal to give a positive or 'good' tone, but not quite enough signal strength for the creation of a visible reading via the meter display.

It's always been that way and it was a sure fire indication of a deep, positive target when the old none motion Arado models produced audio with no meter indication. Hope this makes sense ss47

[wesser]

Ss47 thanks for your input, it makes sense what your saying,I suppose thats why they say try to learn the tones rather than rely on the target id numbers. Most of my better finds would not have seen the light of day if I was relying on numbers only.
Cheers

[martynf65]

Think I'm right in saying that the Deus is an audio signal detector rather than visual ID, so the visual ID numbers are always 'in addition' to the audio signal to assist.

[GeoffBristol]

Yes I understand you, it does my head in as well, like if you get a faint signal it's normaly a deep target but why if it's non ferous is the pitch different to something closer to the surface, why should it vary ?,the best thing to do is scrape a couple of inches off the top then see what signal you get, when you say that your shallow signals are normaly trash what is your disc set at, I don't normaly dig anything lower than 30, having said that I was bored one day due to the lack of signals and dug a hammered at 28, at the end of the day it can be a very frustrating machine.
PS my machine is on V2 I tried V3 but could not get on with it.
Geoff

[wesser]

No discrim full tones. I prefer to hear everything, you dont seem get the choppy sounds when using full tones. I prefer it anyway.

[Tomo]

I only ever used the screen for adjusting the settings and only relied only on what my ears are telling me.
Lower number objects which could fall in the coke number region and might be ignored can turn out to be cut quarters, halves, gold etc depending depth, orientation and object size etc
This is why I now use a goldy power as a tone only machine and dig everything that sounds like it could be something worth investigating.
On a club dig two weeks ago a section of around 20 foot by 60 foot of field produced a couple of Roman brooches by an etrac and and a ctx. They ploughed it side by side, gridding it up and down.
I started behind them and started working what they had already gone over and searched, digging every little iffy tone. 2 mins in and I pulled up a cut half. Two mins again and a Roman bronze appeared to the sight of grinding teeth and a few obscenities from the two lads lol. Another minute or so and a full Roman brooch popped out on a very iffy signal. Lastly a 5 minutes later a full hammy penny seen the light at which point another field became available and we moved. It's not that the minelabs couldn't see them but they might have fell in there blacked out discrimination pattern being iffy signals. There excellent machines, I've had both.
In the end if your not sure...dig it.

The 4 that popped out

[wesser]

Great finds those 4. I think maybe i need to dig more signals but in the past have dug iffy signals only to not be able to find the target which becomes annoying. I think in an ideal world i would dig alot more but find myself cherry picking the better iffy signals. I realise I may be missing stuff. Its a bit catch 22, if you dont dig you wont find but if you do be prepared to have a pouch full of trash. Suppose that the nature of the game.
Cheers

[benny]

Ive never bothered with these type of signals, after the above comments I will, club dig in the morning so I will be testing the "theory. thanks. Benny

[wesser]

Benny, you defo need to be digging the faint high tones, things might be deeper but you will be rewarded I am sure.
Cheers

[Tomo]

Another tip that which is already known to most but good for new users is just because it says deus fast, it doesn't mean you can swing at 300 mile an hour lol. Nice and slow, keep it as low as you can and investigate any blip you get from the edge of the coil. Many times with the goldy I've caught the edge of a signal on a swing and moved over to check it, sometimes iron, sometimes a goody.

[JamieB]

If I get an iffy no number repeatable signal I'll dig a spadeful out .. If the signal doesn't improve I'll dig one more spade out .. If it doesn't clean up after that then the target gets left

I know the deus won't find hammered much deeper than this so that iffy signal is either deep trash or a large copper coin .. And I'm not really after those finds now!