Recent Beach Find

[Sam T2]

Found this little beauty recently on the beach, am I right in thinking Georgian shoe buckle? Has some nice decoration on it, nice patina, had a bit of bronze disease, managed to get most of it off. What do you think ladies and gents?

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[fred]

No you are not right. That is much earlier, probably Early Stuart at the latest and more likely Elizabethan. A great beach find.

[Sam T2]

Thank you for the quick reply and pertinent information Fred, I am surprised it is earlier than I thought it would be.

thank you

Sam.

[fred]

Obviously I have no idea where you detect but older stuff does sometimes come off of beaches. Just after the New Year I had identifiable mid Georgian halfpennies on four trips on the trot at two locations separated by 150 miles. Last year I had a fragment of a Henry III penny from way out on the sand.

[Bfg]

No you are not right. That is much earlier, probably Early Stuart at the latest and more likely Elizabethan. A great beach find.

As always Fred - that's some ID. I wonder if you would mind sharing a few tidbit clues of how you date from one era to another, perhaps in the decoration style, the degree of detail, the method of manufacture and choice of metal, or is it the size or designed shape.. Don't get me wrong I'm not questioning any of your ID's, I honestly just like to learn. Thanks.

Bfg.

[fred]

No you are not right. That is much earlier, probably Early Stuart at the latest and more likely Elizabethan. A great beach find.

As always Fred - that's some ID. I wonder if you would mind sharing a few tidbit clues of how you date from one era to another, perhaps in the decoration style, the degree of detail, the method of manufacture and choice of metal, or is it the size or designed shape.. Don't get me wrong I'm not questioning any of your ID's, I honestly just like to learn. Thanks.

Bfg.

Everything you said plus fifty years of digging up the things plus the Internet to research and cross check anything that I am not sure about. A healthy(ish) dose of cynicism also makes me cautious about simply accepting and repeating other people's IDs which, for many different reasons, may not be quite correct. I still make mistakes but even those can often help point others in the right direction and at the end of the day it is always a correct ID that matters most, not who made it.

Anyway for buckles this is a good place to start:

https://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ceejays_site/pa ... lepage.htm.

[Sewin]

I have used this a few times and it has been of great use:
http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ceejays_site/pag ... lepage.htm

[fred]

I have used this a few times and it has been of great use:
http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ceejays_site/pag ... lepage.htm

That make two of us then. Must be good!

[FUBAR]

Nice find. Thanks for posting with a much appreciated pic..

[Easylife]

No you are not right. That is much earlier, probably Early Stuart at the latest and more likely Elizabethan. A great beach find.

As always Fred - that's some ID. I wonder if you would mind sharing a few tidbit clues of how you date from one era to another, perhaps in the decoration style, the degree of detail, the method of manufacture and choice of metal, or is it the size or designed shape.. Don't get me wrong I'm not questioning any of your ID's, I honestly just like to learn. Thanks.

Bfg.

This buckle guide is also very good.

[Fishwick]

Cracking find and well done

[Bfg]

This buckle guide is also very good.

Wow ! Brilliant work, but what a way to spend years of your life.. in compiling a 124 page catalogue of someone else's buckles.

[Fusion]

Always nice to find something of a decent age from the beach.
These buckle galleries/guides may also enlighten you:
http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co ... ieval.html
http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co ... 16thC.html
http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co ... 17thC.html

[Easylife]

This buckle guide is also very good.

Wow ! Brilliant work, but what a way to spend years of your life.. in compiling a 124 page catalogue of someone else's buckles.

Believe me, there are even some more truly mundane publications. I went to a carboot sale and bought a couple of Brian Read book for 50p each just because they were cheap. 106 pages of buttons and 240 pages of hooked fasteners, not exactly exhilarating bedtime reading but have been useful for the occasional ID. Seriously though, this is one of the main references that PAS uses, so hats off to Brian Read for compiling them.