Can i detect beach without permit ?

[4bleepssake]

Hi all.
Thanks to 'she who moans...i mean knows best we are getting away to the norfolk coast (Waxham) with caravan this weekend for a few days.
I want to make double sure that i do not need any form of permit before i start detecting the beach there, will my NCMD card suffice if approached by anyone of authority ?
Also, anyone tried there before ??
Cheers in advance B-)

[sweepstick47]

What! Not read our revised guide yet Here's the link ' I hope it brings sweetness and light to your proposed caravan/detecting outing Your NCMD Card does not provide the authorisation,consent to detect anywhere - more details in the link.regards ss47.

app.php/mdf-help-guide

[chip]

The colour purple means you are good to go


https://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/rural- ... detecting/

[Wansdyke44]

You don't need a permit but that area is part of the Crown Estate:

Anybody wishing to carry out metal detecting on our foreshore is granted a permissive right from The Crown Estate; this permissive right does not apply to the seabed or river beds or any other Crown Estate land. The permissive right is also subject to detectorists adhering to The Treasure Act 1996 and its accompanying code of practice, as well as our terms and conditions. We therefore ask that you read the terms and conditions here before metal detecting on Crown Estate land. Please note that you do not need to notify The Crown Estate that you have read these terms and conditions.

Please first assess that the area of foreshore is owned by The Crown Estate by using our Foreshore and Estuary Map found here:

Please note that foreshore in England, Wales and Northern Ireland is defined as the land between mean high water and mean low water.

[Oxgirl36]

And here’s the direct links to the Crown Foreshore website. You no longer need to apply for a permit if it’s a Crown Estate beach provided it’s not been leased or there are local authority bylaws. So look at the beaches you want to go to and write a post asking if those are OK. Local knowledge is key

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[Phil2401]

All good advice given so far... watch out for them Norfolk locals though - they're jealous of their territory, so I'm told

Phil

[4bleepssake]

Firstly, thanks to you all for your info....fantastic knowledge base on here
So, & just to be as sure as a sure thing that’s very sure, anywhere between high & low tide is okay to go on ?
I will post on beach forum with title Waxham beach to see if anybody (who isn’t over protective ) with local knowledge is aware of any potential issues with permission so please ignore the repetition, once again huge thanks all

[Phil2401]

Yep - high tide mark right down till you're getting seriously wet...

Phil

[4bleepssake]

Cheers Phil

[thefiggis]

As stated above:

Anybody wishing to carry out metal detecting on our foreshore is granted a permissive right from The Crown Estate; this permissive right does not apply to the seabed or river beds or any other Crown Estate land. The permissive right is also subject to detectorists adhering to The Treasure Act 1996 and its accompanying code of practice, as well as our terms and conditions. We therefore ask that you read the terms and conditions here before metal detecting on Crown Estate land. Please note that you do not need to notify The Crown Estate that you have read these terms and conditions.

There's your permission.

[4bleepssake]

Thanks for your input Amphora, it’s all appreciated
Can I just confirm that you’re referring to UK beaches please ?, I may be mistaken but wonder if you’re basing your reply on foreign beach law ?
Once again many thanks for your reply,
It’s all a learning curve !!

[TheNCMD]

You need to be aware that some beaches are privately owned so permission will be needed from the owner to detect on the dry sand. These can be Local Councils or local estate landowners for example.

[4bleepssake]

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[mowdie]

To make things a bit clearer for amphora,

In this country different pieces of "Public land" are owned by various Local or Central, Governmental Departments.

There is no blanket rule regarding land which covers all departments.

This would be like one farmer saying we can detect his field only on Sundays whereas other farmers allow us to detect at any time. The landowner has a right to tell us what we can or cant do on their property.

It's the same with public land. Some Local Authorities allow detecting, others don't. East Devon Council allows people to detect but if something is found the detectorist is not allowed to dig it out of the ground. ????? Bromsgrove Council allow detecting in certain public areas but only after an application has been made and their criteria has been met.

Detecting on beaches also requires permission but the Crown Foreshores Authority (CFA) has given a permissive right to detectorists to detect on beaches controlled by CFA. This implied permission can be withdrawn at any time the CFA chooses. Detectorist however, are still bound by the rules set out by CFA for detecting on their property. It is worth noting that some beaches around the Uk cannot be detected because they are privately owned or they have SSSI or AONB classification.

All land in the UK is owned and permission is required from the land owner to detect on it. There are no areas within the UK which can be detected without permission either implied or expressed, except where the detectorist owns the property. This includes all land, water courses, beaches, and off shore areas covered by the Fisheries Act.

Different rules exist within every country of the world. If I attempted to detect in China where it is illegal, I cannot use the defence that I thought it would be ok to detect there because I am allowed to detect anywhere I wish in America. The Law of the Land is just that, "A LAW." It may be that Holland has different laws to the UK but the original post asked about what would happen to him in England. In England we have laws which govern the use of metal detectors over every square inch of this land.

I hope this makes it a bit clearer for you.

Kindest regards
mowdie

[Buriedbytime&dust]

All good advice given so far... watch out for them Norfolk locals though - they're jealous of their territory, so I'm told

Phil

With all that molten aluminium, bottle tops, ringpulls, bullets, and loose change waiting to be found on the beaches I can see why!