Hi all any help on this worn French coin would be Well appreciated

[stubbie]

Hi all
Been tumbling all my grots And coins that have had it and this turned up tonight so any help on this worn French coin would be Well appreciated many thanks

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[Allectus]

Louis XIV copper Liard.

[stubbie]

Thanks for that Allectus

[Expat Aussie]

An interesting find,they are usually pretty well toasted though yours is in very identifyable condition.The date is where the damage is but is most likely 1655-1658. the ‘G’ is the mintmark for Poitiers.

[Dave The Slave]

Like that nice bold mintmark.
Good Find,
Dave.

[Bardolph]

This is a Liard de France, juvenile bust, second type, worth 3 deniers and minted between 1655 and 1658. The first type, 1654 and 1656, had a crowned L on the reverse and very small mintmarks (A and K) while the third type, 1693 to 1707, had the old bust.

Expat Aussie is right to say that G is the mintmark for Poitiers, but this coin was not actually made in that city. Louis XIV, being short of money, farmed out the right to mint the 2nd type to a private individual, Isaac Blandin, who was not allowed to use the Royal mints. He set up eight private mints in various parts of France but none in any town with a royal mint because of the violent hostility of the official moneyers. Blandin was authorised to use the mintmark of whichever royal mint was the nearest, and from his records, we know that he used the G mintmark three times:

In 1655 for Montreuil-Bellay, 80 kms north-west of Poitiers
In 1656-57, for Lusignan, 25 kms south-west of Poitiers
In 1657-58,for Chatellerault, 40 kms north-east of Poitiers.

He was clearly having to move his mints around every 12-18 months to avoid problems.

From his records, we know that he produced a staggering 600 million liards, and made a fortune. The coins had to be made from new copper, and he was allowed a weight tolerance of 6.25%. Even so, most of his coinage was scandalously underweight. They were later recalled and melted down for the third series of liards.

[Dave8472]

Nice coin, I like that

Great ID info to

Dave

[stubbie]

thank you all for the fantastic information and Bardolph thanks for taking the time to explain it all that is kind of you and it was toasted a complete blank until i tumbled it with great results
once again thank you

[T-800]

Hi Stubbie, nice find ! indeed we find a lot of them in detection in France but generally very worn. I was lucky once to find a small hoard of 23 Liards in the forest.

[stubbie]

Thanks T-800
wow bet that made your heart beat faster finding all them great stuff

[Dirk]

Hi stubbie, nice coin. What media are you using in your tumbler.

[stubbie]

Hi Dirk
I did start off with fish tank grit but took a chance on the metal mix media with my last tumble which has pins balls and bits I thought they would be to sharp but they came out great especially with this coin showing up

[Dirk]

Hi Dirk
I did start off with fish tank grit but took a chance on the metal mix media with my last tumble which has pins balls and bits I thought they would be to sharp but they came out great especially with this coin showing up

Thanks, I’ve been using fish tank gravel & all sorts but I’m worried if I use the coarse grit supplied with the tumbler I’ll lose any detail left, I’ll try it on one coin