Hopefully not a daft question... but

[ukglyn]

Are there any beaches in the UK that openly allow MD on, without permit? I have got my Crown Forshore permit, but then got thinking about any beaches where I could detect the higher/dry sand?
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I am VERY new to this addictive hobby.

[yellow]

If I'm not mistaken,and please if I am correct me,the crown estates permit allows you to detect all dry sand excluding dunes,all the way down to the low tide line.
After the low tide line it's classed as salvage and a different permit is required.

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Ps it would be worth a read of the rules on the crown estate website to clarify things,and these rules would only apply to the beaches it shows available on the map of your chosen area.

[StoneFace]

If they're privately owned then I think the only way is to seek permission directly from the owners.

I presume if you were to go and do a bit without permission then you might get thrown off - then no chance of coming back

[yellow]

Here are the terms and conditions from the estates website

Terms and conditions

On your agreeing to the below terms and conditions you will have the permission of The Crown Estate to go on foot onto any foreshore that is the property of The Crown Estate excluding any area that is listed as an Ancient Monument to search the foreshore for treasure, antiques, metal, or any other matter or object of that type including coins and artefacts, as a recreational pursuit.

1. The permission hereby granted extends only to the foreshore only and not to any part of the bed of the sea.

2. This permission shall remain in force for a period of twelve months, subject to the rights of termination provided. Crown Estate ownership or control may be transferred to a third party so you should check the Crown Estate ownership maps on a regular basis and at a minimum every six months. The applicant may reapply for a further consent upon expiry of the 12 month period.

3. You are permitted to carry out searches on the foreshore as described above only on the following basis:

3.1. You may use a metal detector for such purpose;

3.2. You may only investigate the surface of the foreshore and not excavate into the hard pack sub-surface of the foreshore to ensure that the archaeological integrity of any embedded find is retained;

3.3. No mechanical tool, plant or equipment may be used for excavation;

3.4. Any hole (however small or shallow) must be refilled so that the foreshore is reinstated to its condition before digging or excavation was commenced by the applicant so as not to create a hazard to other foreshore users.

4. You are required:

4.1. To report all archaeological finds to the Portable Antiquities Scheme and follow the "Code of Practice for Responsible Metal Detecting in England and Wales" at all times.

4.2. To report the find of any item which may or which on reasonable grounds is likely to be treasure within the meaning of the Treasure Act 1996 to the Coroner's Court for the district in which the foreshore is situated (or if in Scotland to the nearest police station) within fourteen days of the date of the find and to supply evidence to The Crown Estate that this has been undertaken. Any reward to be paid pursuant to the Treasure Act 1996 shall be determined by the appropriate authority. Apportionment will be agreed between the finder and The Crown Estate but generally this will be in equal shares.

4.3. To report the find of any item of value such as jewellery and coins (excluding individual or small quantities of modern coins) to The Crown Estate and the Police within fourteen days of the date of the find. The value of such a find will be determined by agreement between the applicant and The Crown Estate or by valuation by at least two other persons selected by The Crown Estate and the applicant, or by sale for the highest available price. Any monies received shall be divided equally between The Crown Estate and the applicant (after the deduction of any costs).

4.4. To report the find of any item of value in Northern Ireland to The Crown Estate and the Police and the Director of the Ulster Museum within fourteen days of the date of the find. Such find to be treated under the provisions of the Historic Monuments Act (Northern Ireland) 1971.

4.5 To report the find of any item which may or which on reasonable grounds is likely to be considered Wreck within the meaning of the Merchant Shipping Act 1995 to the Receiver of Wreck and The Crown Estate within fourteen days of the date of the find.

5. The Crown Estate reserves their right to ownership of all or any objects found, and the granting of this permission does not transfer any such rights to you. You may not claim ownership or rights to any objects found on the foreshore by virtue of this permission.

6. You shall endeavour not to interfere with any persons exercising public rights on the foreshore of any description and shall not interfere with any property on the foreshore known to be the property of any other party.

7. The Crown Estate may restrict or prohibit access to any part of the foreshore covered at any time without notice.

8. You will go onto the foreshore at your own risk and no liability shall attach to The Crown Estate in any respect relative to any injury (including death) loss, damage whatever, including due to negligence, to the applicant or any property of the applicant whilst on the foreshore and you will indemnify The Crown Estate against all actions, proceedings, claims, demands, damages, costs and losses relating to or arising out of the exercise of any rights covered by or related to this permission and arising from the failure of the applicant to report any finding to the relevant person or authority pursuant to the terms of this licence.

9. You will be responsible for obtaining any other necessary permissions including those of adjoining land owners in order to access the foreshore.

10. You accept that the foreshore can be a dangerous place. You should check the times of tides before accessing the foreshore, and should be aware that tides can generate strong currents and should take all steps to ensure personal safety whilst on the foreshore.


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[ukglyn]

If I'm not mistaken,and please if I am correct me,the crown estates permit allows you to detect all dry sand excluding dunes,all the way down to the low tide line.
After the low tide line it's classed as salvage and a different permit is required.

Yellow

Ps it would be worth a read of the rules on the crown estate website to clarify things,and these rules would only apply to the beaches it shows available on the map of your chosen area.

See I could be, & probably am, but I thought that beaches were council or privately owned, where as the forshore, basically the bit of beach inbetween low tide mark, & high tide mark on MOST beaches was owned by the crown. I thought it was this small part of the beach that the permit entitled us to detect on. where as further up the beach towards the dunes/prom would need to be approved by the council or owner.

Have I got this backwards?

[yellow]

My taking was unless privately owned,the rest is owned by the crown but taken care of and cleaned etc by councils.

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[ukglyn]

You could well be right, but this is what makes me think its only the bit of land inbetween the tides.

"We generally seek to encourage access over, and responsible use of, the foreshore and therefore make no charge for the permit. Foreshore in England, Wales and Northern Ireland is defined as the land between mean high water and mean low water. In Scotland the definition is between mean high water of spring tides and mean low water of spring tides."

[yellow]

This is we're it gets confusing

Some of my beaches are fully tidal,some aren't. For me everything from the promenade wall down to low tide line is fair game and I've spoken to councillors etc whilst detecting and to be honest they are more pleased that I cover holes up and remove my found crap,rather than what area I'm actually detecting.

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[ukglyn]

Thanks for that, your way does seem to make more sense.

[yellow]

Thanks for that, your way does seem to make more sense.

Hope it's helped Glyn...no such thing as a daft question on this forum mate...if people asked more,we would all learn more.

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