Tiny 3 ring bullet.

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Tiny 3 ring bullet.

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Found this tiny three ring lead bullet at a dig on Saturday in Oxfordshire. Using my XP Deus on the Hot program. Soil was light and sandy. Faint signal but repeatable, Found at about 6 inches.
I have found a few lead three and two ring bullets but never this small. As you can see it is about 0.8cm in length and about 0.5cm in diameter. What type of weapon would fire such a small bullet?
Any help much appreciated. Thank you.
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The bullet is about right for a .22 bullet. This is a fairly standard size for small bore rifles used for potting rabbits and vermin. ::g
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Thanks,Fred. I thought it might be but I didn't think they used lead .
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rafvc10 wrote: Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:21 pm Thanks,Fred. I thought it might be but I didn't think they used lead .
They certainly do and anyway that looks quite an old one, so probably before anyone even worried about such issues. ::g
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Post by MilitaryMetalMagnut »

I’ve fired squllions of these, and still are very much made of lead. ::g
The profile of it looks like a .22 Short, they’re a bit more ‘dumpy’ than the more renowned .22LR (Long Rifle).
The .22 Short was, and still is used mainly in pistols. ::g

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Many thanks, Simon. Now I know. 👍
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rafvc10

the two rounds extensively used over farmland for rabbits are the .22LR and the .17hmr. In the picture the shorter round (24mm long) with the all lead, sub-sonic, hollow-point bullet, approximately 12mm long is the round of choice for rabbits going in to the food chain. You'll find plenty of cartridge cases when you detect as most rabbits are shot at night and cases are not picked up. The cases give an annoying signal and can be hard to locate in the sod you've just dug out.
The longer .17hmr (35mm in total, cartidge 27mm) is a supersonic round for longer ranges but creates a lot of damage. You may well find these cases but generally not common compared to the .22LR
I haven't seen .22 shorts for yonks - I think the last time was in a fairground which really dates me :(

p.s. any palm readers out there ;)
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You have had a long life doing manual labour, try some Nivea skin care ::g
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cantona1 wrote: Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:46 pm You have had a long life doing manual labour, try some Nivea skin care ::g
Good job your not a palm reader :)) and funny you should mention Nivea - I know an unhealthy amount about skincare and the cosmetics business .... but that's another story. Nivea's not bad ::g
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you are definitely not a beautician, not with skin like that B-)
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cantona1 wrote: Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:56 pm you are definitely not a beautician, not with skin like that B-)
But the rest of me is soft and lovely :))

It's what happens when you spend a couple of hours with wet hands and freezing cold water fixing a horse trough leak. All warmed up now and looking good ::g
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WVAM wrote: Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:29 pm rafvc10

the two rounds extensively used over farmland for rabbits are the .22LR and the .17hmr. In the picture the shorter round (24mm long) with the all lead, sub-sonic, hollow-point bullet, approximately 12mm long is the round of choice for rabbits going in to the food chain. You'll find plenty of cartridge cases when you detect as most rabbits are shot at night and cases are not picked up. The cases give an annoying signal and can be hard to locate in the sod you've just dug out.
The longer .17hmr (35mm in total, cartidge 27mm) is a supersonic round for longer ranges but creates a lot of damage. You may well find these cases but generally not common compared to the .22LR
I haven't seen .22 shorts for yonks - I think the last time was in a fairground which really dates me :(

p.s. any palm readers out there ;)
2015 Norfolk game fair still had the old pump action .22 rf on a range towed by a truck .... ::g
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